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06/18/2014 08:00 AM House ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION REVIEW


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08:07:41 AM Start
08:08:43 AM Implementation and Effectiveness of Teacher Evaluation Systems
10:03:50 AM Adjourn
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Location: Eagle River Town Center, Room 170
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+ Department of Education: Teacher Evaluations TELECONFERENCED
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- Regarding the implementation and effectiveness
of the Teacher Evaluation system
-- Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           ADMINISTRATIVE REGULATION REVIEW COMMITTEE                                                                         
                      Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                       
                         June 18, 2014                                                                                          
                           8:07 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lora Reinbold, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Cathy Giessel, Vice Chair                                                                                               
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Hollis French                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Lynn Gattis                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson (via teleconference)                                                                               
Representative Sam Kito (via teleconference)                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
IMPLEMENTATION AND EFFECTIVENESS OF TEACHER EVALUATION SYSTEMS                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA STOSTKY, Ed.D, Professor Emerita                                                                                         
University of Arkansas                                                                                                          
Brookline, Massachusetts                                                                                                        
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed concern with tying teacher                                                                     
evaluations with a single test.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ANDY HOLLEMAN, President                                                                                                        
Anchorage Education Association                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided remarks on the teacher evaluation                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARK VANARSDALE, Parent & Technology Coordinator                                                                                
Eagle River High School                                                                                                         
Anchorage School District                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Expressed  concerns  with   the  teacher                                                             
evaluation system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MATT PRNKA, Teacher                                                                                                             
Eagle River High School                                                                                                         
Anchorage School District                                                                                                       
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Expressed  concerns  with   the  teacher                                                             
evaluation system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
GLENN MORDINE, Retired Teacher, Administrator                                                                                   
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided  remarks regarding Alaska's teacher                                                             
evaluation system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RICK SMITH, Teacher                                                                                                             
(No address provided.)                                                                                                          
POSITION STATEMENT:  Expressed concern  with the proposed teacher                                                             
evaluation system.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
LES MORSE, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                                  
Department of Education and Early Development                                                                                   
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   During hearing teacher  evaluation systems,                                                             
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:07:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LORA  REINBOLD called the Administrative  Regulation Review                                                             
Committee meeting  to order  at 8:07  a.m.   Representatives Tarr                                                               
and  Reinbold  were present  at  the  call  to  order.   Also  in                                                               
attendance   were   Representatives   Gattis,  T.   Wilson   (via                                                               
teleconference), and Kito III (via teleconference).                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
^Implementation and Effectiveness of Teacher Evaluation Systems                                                                 
 Implementation and Effectiveness of Teacher Evaluation Systems                                                             
                                                                                                                              
8:08:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  announced that the  only order of  business would                                                               
be  to  hear public  testimony  from  teachers across  the  state                                                               
regarding  the  teacher  evaluation  regulation  adopted  by  the                                                               
Alaska State Board  of Education & Early  Development in December                                                               
2012.  She  stated that there was  overwhelming concern regarding                                                               
these  regulations,  in  fact,  over  800  public  comments  were                                                               
received  by the  Department of  Education and  Early Development                                                               
(EED) during the  public comment period, and the  majority of the                                                               
comments  were  in  opposition  to the  regulations.    The  main                                                               
concerns  were  with  regard  to  confidentiality,  student  data                                                               
collection, and the evaluation of  student scope and performance.                                                               
During the  December 6-7, 2012  board meetings, an  amendment was                                                               
adopted that  changed the  student scope  and performance  from a                                                               
base of  20 percent in  fiscal year  2015-2017, to 36  percent in                                                               
2017-2018, and to  50 percent in 2018-2019.   Therefore, by 2018,                                                               
50  percent  of a  teacher's  evaluation  will be  determined  by                                                               
student  growth and  performance,  including  performance on  one                                                               
standardized  test, she  explained.   Chair Reinbold  opined that                                                               
the  aforementioned criterion  does not  take into  consideration                                                               
variables outside  the control  of the  classroom teacher.   This                                                               
change to the  regulation, she pointed out, is based  on a public                                                               
comment  submitted by  the governor,  and the  teachers were  not                                                               
provided  sufficient  time to  comment  on  the proposed  change.                                                               
Therefore, this  hearing is to  provide teachers  the opportunity                                                               
to  voice  their concerns  with  the  change  and to  hear  EED's                                                               
reasoning behind the regulations and the amendment.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:10:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA STOTSKY,  Ed.D, speaking on  her own behalf,  informed the                                                               
committee  that  she is  a  former  member of  the  Massachusetts                                                               
Department  of  Education  where   she  was  a  senior  associate                                                               
commissioner from 1999-2003.  She  further informed the committee                                                               
that she  was a  member of the  Common Core  Validation Committee                                                               
and  is now  a retired  professor  of education  reform from  the                                                               
University of Arkansas.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
[Due to a technical difficulty, there  is no audio from 8:13 a.m.                                                               
to 8:17  a.m. and  the audio of  Mr. Holleman's  testimony begins                                                               
mid-testimony.]                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:17:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY HOLLEMAN, President,  Anchorage Education Association, [poor                                                               
quality audio] indicated concern with  regard to the small amount                                                               
of data.  He discussed using  test scores of students to evaluate                                                               
teachers and expressed  the desire to delay [that  portion of the                                                               
teacher  evaluation   system]  until  there  is   more  (indisc.)                                                               
regarding its accuracy.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:18:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  inquired as to  how Mr. Holleman  would recommend                                                               
grading  students  [and  evaluating  teachers] if  not  based  on                                                               
student growth.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOLLEMAN [poor  quality audio  and most  of his  response is                                                               
indiscernible].   Mr.  Holleman opined  that [teachers  should be                                                               
evaluated] via  classroom observations  to identify  any problems                                                               
and develop a plan of improvement for the teacher.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:21:23 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR [poor quality audio that is indiscernible].                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOLLEMAN [poor quality audio that is indiscernible].                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:21:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  [poor quality  audio that  is indiscernible]                                                               
related her understanding that the  goal is to identify [problems                                                               
with teachers] early to intervene appropriately.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. HOLLEMAN  [poor quality audio  that is  indiscernible] opined                                                               
that at  the end of the  year, if there  is not a lot  of growth,                                                               
the principal should address it.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:25:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK VANARSDALE,  Parent and Technology Coordinator,  Eagle River                                                               
High  School,  Anchorage School  District,  speaking  first as  a                                                               
parent of a  learning disabled student,   expressed great concern                                                               
with the  up to  50 percent  of data used  to evaluate  his son's                                                               
teacher.    He  related  that  his  son  is  a  chronically  flat                                                               
performer  on any  type of  [written] evaluation,  particularly a                                                               
formative or summative  database test.  He said his  son has been                                                               
blessed with  some wonderful special education  teachers, but "my                                                               
son  would disproportionally  make his  teachers look  terrible."                                                               
All of his  teachers who have worked with him  have great concern                                                               
for  his   son's  overall   growth  as  a   person  as   well  as                                                               
academically.  However,  he opined, when it comes to  any type of                                                               
written assessment,  his son would  disproportionately negatively                                                               
impact  his  teachers.   Mr.  VanArsdale  opined  that  obtaining                                                               
quality  special  education  teachers  is  remarkably  difficult.                                                               
Therefore,  he  expressed  concern  that  for  special  education                                                               
teachers with low  class sizes and poor performers  like his son,                                                               
tying 50 percent  of their evaluation to student  data would make                                                               
them look  bad when in fact  they are remarkable.   From a parent                                                               
perspective,  Mr. VanArsdale  expressed  fear that  this type  of                                                               
evaluation  system would  become very  punitive in  nature rather                                                               
than incentivizing  better instruction.   Speaking as  a teacher,                                                               
he informed  the committee that  he is a  technology collaborator                                                               
for Eagle  River High School,  and therefore he is  a specialist.                                                               
He explained that although he  carries one to two student classes                                                               
per year, there is no formal  test to evaluate his performance as                                                               
a technology collaborator.   However, he pointed out,  if he does                                                               
not do  his job, many  teachers in  the building cannot  do their                                                               
jobs.    Furthermore,  he  said,  there are  a  large  number  of                                                               
educators who  will be  evaluated who are  not language  arts and                                                               
math teachers.  Noting that he is  not opposed to the use of data                                                               
[in teacher  evaluations], he opined  that the use of  50 percent                                                               
of  data  in  the  evaluation  of  teachers  ties  the  hands  of                                                               
principals,  whose main  objective is  to build  a group  of good                                                               
educators into better educators  by evaluating them in meaningful                                                               
ways.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:31:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MATT PRNKA,  Teacher, Eagle River  High School,  Anchorage School                                                               
District, expressed  concern regarding the definition  of growth,                                                               
particularly for  those teachers with special  needs students who                                                               
are on the  lower end of academic achievement.   He said that the                                                               
lack of growth could destroy  a teacher's [evaluation] score.  On                                                               
the other  end of the spectrum,  there are teachers with  a large                                                               
number  of  honors and  above-average  students  who are  already                                                               
performing above  the state test  scores at the beginning  of the                                                               
school year.   Therefore, they will still score  above average at                                                               
the end of  the school year, which technically means  there is no                                                               
growth.   In such a  situation, he questioned whether  that would                                                               
be  detrimental to  the teacher's  evaluation score.   Mr.  Prnka                                                               
then  expressed concern  for the  many teachers  of courses  that                                                               
cannot  be  assessed  by standardized  tests,  such  as  theatre,                                                               
debate, choir, and physical education.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:34:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked if anyone  has an idea of  a different                                                               
way  to implement  teacher  evaluations rather  than  the one  in                                                               
regulations,  such  as a  more  collaborative  approach in  which                                                               
families are involved.  She  spoke of students who are challenged                                                               
by bad home situations, where  things that should be happening at                                                               
home to  help a child learn  are not happening, and  the teachers                                                               
can be limited in their impacts.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PRNKA,  drawing  from  his  experience  with  individualized                                                               
education program  (IEP) committees with various  other education                                                               
professionals,  students,  and  their  families,  indicated  that                                                               
having  multiple  people  reviewing   a  student's  learning  and                                                               
achievement   levels   from   their  various   perspectives   and                                                               
specialties can be  positive; "multiple pairs of  eyes can really                                                               
take  something   apart  and  look  for   ways  of  improvement."                                                               
However,  he  didn't see  how  such  could  be achieved  for  all                                                               
students merely  due to the  time involved.  He  mentioned parent                                                               
teacher conference nights  that can provide great  insight into a                                                               
student's  life  outside  of  the classroom,  but  it's  a  short                                                               
timeframe  and  is  voluntary  in terms  of  parent  and  student                                                               
attendance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:38:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLENN MORDINE,  Retired Teacher,  Administrator, (Indisc.  - poor                                                               
quality audio  throughout this testimony)  speaking as  a retired                                                               
teacher  and  administrator,  reviewed his  past  involvement  in                                                               
teaching, including his  time as a special  education teacher and                                                               
director  of   special  education  programs.     He  indicated  a                                                               
difference between [the views of] standardized testing in low-                                                                  
income schools and high-income schools.   He pointed out that the                                                               
federal law, IEP,  trumps state and local laws  for special needs                                                               
students.    Mr.  Mordine  said  that  he  could  understand  the                                                               
frustration of  teachers as one  cannot generalize about  a group                                                               
of students  and expect the  same outcome from  all of them.   He                                                               
emphasized the  need to consider  special needs students  as they                                                               
cannot  be  held  to  the same  standard  as  [non-special  needs                                                               
students]  unless   there  is  agreement  from   the  parent  and                                                               
educator.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:43:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS inquired as  to how Mr. Mordine's testimony                                                               
may have changed the testimony of others had he testified first.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. VANARSDALE maintained concern with  50 percent of the teacher                                                               
evaluation being  based upon student  data, as  special education                                                               
teachers  can   be  disproportionately   impacted  by   the  poor                                                               
performance of a few students.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTIS surmised,  then,  that  Mr. VanArsdale  is                                                               
concerned with the low  student-to-teacher ratio, particularly in                                                               
special  education, as  it  could skew  the  evaluations for  the                                                               
teacher.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. VANARSDALE  highlighted how  difficult it  is to  get special                                                               
education teachers and how their  small student-teacher ratio [in                                                               
conjunction with this evaluation criterion] could make it worse.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  offered, on  the other hand,  that perhaps                                                               
more  people  would  be attracted  to  become  special  education                                                               
teachers  because of  the low  student-teacher ratios  that could                                                               
provide a greater  opportunity to excel, and  "the opposite could                                                               
be true as well."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. VANARSDALE pointed out the  unreliability of information from                                                               
very small sets of data.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:48:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SANDRA STOSTKY, Ed.D, Professor  Emerita, University of Arkansas,                                                               
expressed great concern  that a decision was made  to tie teacher                                                               
evaluations to  any percent of  a single test, especially  not 50                                                               
percent,  without having  testing  experts talking  to the  state                                                               
board  of education  or the  Governor about  the problems  with a                                                               
single test and a test based  on Common Core standards.  She said                                                               
there is  no professional basis  for tying any percentage  of the                                                               
score  to a  test  that  is based  on  standards  that have  been                                                               
validated. "We  need to  go back,  and think how  you use  a test                                                               
that isn't even going to be  vetted by Alaska reviewers that will                                                               
be used to evaluate teachers when  the test is based on standards                                                               
themselves that  have not been validated."   Even if the  test is                                                               
based on  Alaska's standards, which  are almost identical  to the                                                               
Common Core  standards that  are not  internationally benchmarked                                                               
or  research-based.   The  result  is to  base  50  percent of  a                                                               
teacher's  evaluation   on  a  dubious  test   based  on  dubious                                                               
standards.    She  opined  that  the  aforementioned  is  neither                                                               
professional nor  fair to the  teachers.   In fact, she  said she                                                               
was  not sure  how  student growth  would  be evaluated,  because                                                               
value-added methodologies have been subjected  to a great deal of                                                               
criticism.    She  suggested  that perhaps  the  effort  to  hold                                                               
teachers  [accountable]  would be  better  placed  if there  were                                                               
tougher   licensure   tests    for   prospective   teachers   and                                                               
administrators.  She  further suggested that Alaska's  use of the                                                               
Praxis test for elementary teachers  and other specialists should                                                               
be reviewed  by EED.   Dr.  Stotsky, noting that  she was  on the                                                               
National Mathematics  Advisory Committee, informed  the committee                                                               
that  research  has shown  that  the  only characteristic  of  an                                                               
effective  teacher  is  mastery  of  subject  matter.    Although                                                               
mastery of subject matter should  be placed first, somewhere, and                                                               
it  is  not  included  in   the  professional  standards  as  the                                                               
priority.  Therefore, subject matter  mastery should be addressed                                                               
rather than tying evaluations of  teacher, who have been prepared                                                               
without a focus  on mastery of subject matter,  to student scores                                                               
from a test that is  based on non-internationally benchmarked and                                                               
non-research-based standards.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:52:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY, in  response  to  Representative Gattis,  confirmed                                                               
that research shows  that teachers need to know  the subject they                                                               
are teaching; this is what the  research shows.  Dr. Stotsky said                                                               
what matters  is the correlation  between a teacher's  mastery of                                                               
the  subject  and improvement  in  student  scores.   In  further                                                               
response to  Representative Gattis,  Dr. Stotsky opined  that the                                                               
basis for  evaluating teachers is whether  they can knowledgably,                                                               
sensibly,  and rationally  teach the  content for  what they  are                                                               
licensed  to   teach.    The   aforementioned  is  what   a  good                                                               
administrator  used to  be able  to review  when they  observed a                                                               
teacher's classroom,  she added.   How well  a teacher  teaches a                                                               
subject is based  on the pedagogy they are  supposed learn, which                                                               
is  built on  the  teacher's academic  knowledge  of the  subject                                                               
matter.  [The  teacher evaluation system in Alaska]  does not get                                                               
at the  aforementioned because of  the problem with the  test and                                                               
the standards on which they are based.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:56:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD inquired as to  number of people on the Validating                                                               
Committee for  the Common Core  standards.  She also  inquired as                                                               
to  who  on  the committee  had  research-based  experience  with                                                               
curriculum and had an understanding of what good standards are.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY answered  that by  the end  of 2010,  there were  29                                                               
people  on the  committee of  which  5 did  not sign  off on  the                                                               
standards  as internationally  benchmarked, researched-based,  or                                                               
rigorous.  She explained that  the Validation Committee consisted                                                               
of only one English language  arts standards expert, herself, and                                                               
only one  mathematician, and  he had a  PhD in  mathematics; both                                                               
she  and  the  mathematics  expert   did  not  sign  off  on  the                                                               
standards.   Although  there were  other members  referred to  as                                                               
math experts, they  were all located in  Departments of Education                                                               
or had  doctoral degrees in  mathematics education.   Dr. Stotsky                                                               
emphasized  that  the  Common  Core  standards  have  yet  to  be                                                               
internationally  benchmarked   in  the  years  since   they  were                                                               
adopted,  which  was  practically  overnight,  by  a  variety  of                                                               
different states.   She highlighted that some  states changed the                                                               
name of the standards  so that it would look as  if they were not                                                               
the Common Core standards, although they essentially were.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:58:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD inquired  as  to  why she  did  not validate  the                                                               
Common Core standards.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY explained  that  she did  not  validate the  English                                                               
language  arts standards  because they  were not  internationally                                                               
benchmarked,  which is  also one  of the  reasons why  the expert                                                               
mathematician did not validate the  math standards.  Furthermore,                                                               
the standards were  not research-based, which was  related to how                                                               
the standards were organized in  that 50 percent of what teachers                                                               
teach in K-12  is referred to as informational  text and literary                                                               
study  has to  be  reduced to  about 50  percent  in the  English                                                               
class.   The English language  arts standards  emphasized writing                                                               
more  than  reading, which  is  in  opposition  to 100  years  of                                                               
research on the topic.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:00:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD inquired  as to how the  Alaska Academic Standards                                                               
compare to the Common Core standards.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY  replied  that the  Alaska  Academic  Standards  for                                                               
English   language   arts   seem  identical,   except   for   the                                                               
introductory material.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:01:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  related that she initially  was open-minded about                                                               
the Common Core standards and then  she became a skeptic, and now                                                               
she is  really questioning whether  the Common Core is  right for                                                               
Alaska.   She then asked if  the Common Core is  more rigorous or                                                               
just  different,  particularly  with the  English  language  arts                                                               
(ELA) subject.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY  stated that the  ELA standards are  inappropriate at                                                               
the  primary grade  level  in  many ways,  because  they ask  for                                                               
writing that  small children simply  cannot do yet.   "I wouldn't                                                               
call that rigor;  I would simply call  it inappropriateness," she                                                               
added.  Rigor means  more challenging  academically, Dr.  Stotsky                                                               
said, and there is nothing at  the high school level that is more                                                               
challenging academically  in Common Core standards  than what was                                                               
already available  in many states.   "Common Core is  so mediocre                                                               
that it cannot help but  drag Alaskan students down," she opined.                                                               
She  further  opined  that  the  Common  Core  does  not  include                                                               
anything that  will challenge students,  as the  standards really                                                               
reflect skills  rather than content.   The ELA standards  are not                                                               
rigorous, she reiterated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:05:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD related her understanding  that WorkKeys, ACT, and                                                               
SAT are all aligned with the Common Core standards.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY  agreed that appears  to be  the case, but  she hears                                                               
different messages from  those who represent ACT and  SAT.  "Many                                                               
of  them  are trying  to  say  both things  simultaneously,"  she                                                               
stated.   When  David  Coleman  became the  head  of the  College                                                               
Boards in March,  he said he was  going to align the  SATs to the                                                               
level  of  Common  Core,  "which  means  they  would  be  aligned                                                               
downward," as  would the AP  tests, she  opined.  The  SAT sounds                                                               
like it will be easier.   She suggested that the higher education                                                               
institutions  in  Alaska  should   come  together  to  develop  a                                                               
matriculation test-that  means that  high school  graduates would                                                               
have to aim  for this test in  order to get into  one of Alaska's                                                               
higher education  institutions.  She  added that Alaska  does not                                                               
need the SAT,  WorkKeys, or ACT, it needs tests  developed by its                                                               
own educators for Alaska students.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:07:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD then  inquired as  to  Dr. Stotsky's  view of  50                                                               
percent of a teacher's evaluation being linked to [test scores].                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY characterized  it as a very bad idea  as it is unfair                                                               
to  teachers  and  makes  no sense  for  anyone  who  understands                                                               
testing and measurements.  The  tests are based on standards that                                                               
have not been  validated.  She questioned how  the governor could                                                               
have made such  a recommendation on his own or  how a state board                                                               
could have  even approved and incorporated  such a recommendation                                                               
without having hearings with testing experts.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:09:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  highlighted that  www.act.org specifies  that the                                                               
ACT is  pleased to be  an active  partner with Common  Core state                                                               
standard initiatives.   She then  related her  understanding that                                                               
the university is aligned to the Common Core standards.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY informed  the committee  that in  the [Race  to Top]                                                               
application  for a  waiver,  states had  to  commit to  obtaining                                                               
cooperation of higher education  faculty that students who passed                                                               
a  college-readiness test  will  be able  to take  credit-bearing                                                               
classes in  their freshman year  of college.   Any test  based on                                                               
Common  Core-like  standards will  result  in  students with  8th                                                               
grade or Algebra I level  mathematics going to a higher education                                                               
institution.  Therefore,  university mathematics departments will                                                               
have to  ensure the mathematics  courses are accessible  to them.                                                               
The  aforementioned,  she  emphasized,  makes  it  important  for                                                               
higher education  to become  involved in  terms of  vetting tests                                                               
used with state standards.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:12:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD  recalled  that  at a  recent  Board  of  Regents                                                               
meeting  one  of  the academic  officials  said  [the  university                                                               
system]  is in  alignment with  the  national agenda  and set  on                                                               
obtaining more  data.  She  noted that many Alaskan  students are                                                               
not  going   to  attend  higher  education   schools  in  Alaska.                                                               
Moreover, she  stressed the need  for the university to  focus on                                                               
excellence in order to attract students.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY  expressed the need  to have details of  the national                                                               
agenda, particularly  in terms  of the level  of knowledge  in an                                                               
academic  area.   In  further  response  to Chair  Reinbold,  Dr.                                                               
Stotsky  said that  professors  will not  pay  attention to  high                                                               
school standards unless invited to do so.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:15:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  if there  is any  correlation between  the                                                               
NCLB  [No  Child   Left  Behind]  waiver  and   the  Common  Core                                                               
initiative.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY  explained that  the  U.S.  Department of  Education                                                               
waiver  was an  effort  to  let states  off  the  hook that  were                                                               
committed  under NCLB  to have  all students  reach the  level of                                                               
"proficient" by  2014.   All states knew  they could  not achieve                                                               
proficiency  with  all of  their  students,  and many  asked  and                                                               
received waivers, but  the waivers commit the  states to adopting                                                               
Common Core  standards and the  tests associated with them.   "In                                                               
other words, they  come with strings attached," she  stated.  "If                                                               
Alaska wants  strings, that's a  choice your governor  [and] your                                                               
legislature can make."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:17:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD expressed  frustration  that the  State Board  of                                                               
Education and EED  moved forward with adopting  the standards and                                                               
applying  for   a  waiver  without  consent/involvement   of  the                                                               
legislature.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY  remarked that  most legislatures  were in  the dark,                                                               
but pointed  out that it is  never too late to  determine to what                                                               
the state is committed as there will certainly be bills.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  said that is  why she has the  EED on line.   She                                                               
noted  that  it has  been  very  difficult obtaining  information                                                               
regarding funding  and the  [structure] of  the total  package in                                                               
terms   of  the   strings/costs  associated   with  the   federal                                                               
requirements.  She  said she is glad  the EED is on  line and she                                                               
will be asking, again, what the  federal mandates are.  The train                                                               
is  going  very fast,  and  the  legislature is  overlooked,  she                                                               
opined.   Chair  Reinbold  emphasized the  need  for the  elected                                                               
officials to listen to teachers  and parents on these matters and                                                               
to have  authority and oversight on  education.  She said  she is                                                               
studying the waiver.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:19:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS said she did  not think that Alaska applied                                                               
for  Race to  the  Top money,  and  she inquired  as  to what  an                                                               
international  benchmark is,  and how  that may  apply to  Alaska                                                               
state standards.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DR. STOTSKY explained  that international benchmarking determines                                                               
whether a  course's standards  are comparable  to those  in high-                                                               
achieving countries, most of which  are Asian countries.  Experts                                                               
in the topics need to compare the subjects across the countries.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  pointed out the huge  hurdles and concerns                                                               
with measuring  domestically, and  asked why  it is  necessary to                                                               
measure internationally.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY clarified  that  international benchmarking  matters                                                               
legally,  particularly since  those who  created the  Common Core                                                               
standards  promised  the  state   that  the  standards  would  be                                                               
internationally benchmarked.  Furthermore,  the [federal] Race to                                                               
the  Top application  contained  legal  language specifying  that                                                               
states will  be given internationally benchmarked  standards.  If                                                               
standards are  not aligned  to the  best standards  available and                                                               
have not  been validated, she questioned  why teacher evaluations                                                               
would be tied to student test scores.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:24:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD mentioned that HB  278 includes lots of links with                                                               
the NCLB  waiver.  She pointed  out that now states  are required                                                               
to pay for  the ACT, SAT, and WorkKeys tests  that are aligned to                                                               
the  Common Core.    There's  no escaping  the  Common Core,  she                                                               
opined.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DR.  STOTSKY suggested  that if  Alaska developed  its own  state                                                               
test, it would get itself out of this trouble.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD related  that Alaska  has  maintained some  state                                                               
control by setting the cut scores.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GLENN  MORDINE  (indisc. -  poor  quality  audio throughout  this                                                               
testimony)  opined that  administrators  were left  out of  this,                                                               
although administrators  have the  goal of assisting  and helping                                                               
teachers obtain the maximum performance  from their children.  He                                                               
remarked that  from a  practical standpoint, there  has to  be an                                                               
understanding  of the  population.  He  provided remarks  drawing                                                               
from his recent experiences as a high school principal.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:31:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK SMITH, Teacher, said that  teacher evaluations by principals                                                               
can be biased  based on the relationship between  the two people,                                                               
and  he believes  there  should be  a  more objective  evaluation                                                               
process.  But,  he expressed concern when  teachers are evaluated                                                               
on the test  scores of students, even when the  teacher is making                                                               
progress with  their students  it may  not bear  out in  the test                                                               
score because  student achievement is  based on many  things over                                                               
which teachers have no control.   Students have a life outside of                                                               
school that  impacts their  learning and their  test scores.   He                                                               
questioned  what  would  happen   in  those  schools  with  large                                                               
populations of  students impacted  by their  socioeconomic levels                                                               
and  home  life,  upon  which  the  teachers  will  be  adversely                                                               
evaluated.  He suggested that  teachers are being made scapegoats                                                               
for parents and society failing the students.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:37:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  surmised then that there  are teachers who                                                               
are considering  moving elsewhere because they  will be evaluated                                                               
negatively compared  to teachers with students  whose parents are                                                               
involved.    In low-performing  schools,  one  would assume  that                                                               
there  is some  function  or  some way  that  they would  welcome                                                               
something  like coaching  or  mentoring.   Representative  Gattis                                                               
opined  that discussion  of the  lack of  parental and  community                                                               
involvement  does not  advance the  need to  educate kids  to get                                                               
them  out of  a bad  situation [socioeconomically  or otherwise],                                                               
and the only way out for these  youth is to become educated.  She                                                               
said the  question is  how to facilitate  giving "those  kids the                                                               
opportunity to  get out of  that mess."   She said  her employees                                                               
like a  plan for improvement to  know where they are,  where they                                                               
made mistakes,  what they have  to do  to improve, and  where the                                                               
next step is.  She said she does not see that as a bad thing.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SMITH  agreed with Representative  Gattis, adding  that there                                                               
are definitely teachers that need to be out.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTIS  surmised that the challenge  is to develop                                                               
a teacher  evaluation system that  targets teachers who  would be                                                               
better suited for  another industry.  It is not  fair that others                                                               
have  to take  up the  slack, she  added.   She understands  that                                                               
teachers  are concerned  about ousting  good teachers,  but there                                                               
are  parents that  are concerned  about wasting  a year  of their                                                               
children's education  [on a bad teacher].   "I think we  all know                                                               
something should  be done."   She  then commended  the department                                                               
for advancing forward the idea that something needs to be done.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:41:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  reminded everyone  that the legislature  does not                                                               
write regulations;  the boards and departments  write regulations                                                               
based on statutes passed by the  legislature.  She noted that the                                                               
passage of her  legislation, HB 140, will  provide legislators 10                                                               
days  to  review  and  weigh-in on  regulations  prior  to  their                                                               
adoption  and the  opportunity to  interact with  the departments                                                               
when regulations are being developed.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:43:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  informed the committee  that research  her office                                                               
gathered found that approximately 42  states have adopted, or are                                                               
in the process of adopting,  a plan to revise teacher evaluations                                                               
with the  Common Core  initiative.  She  said she  understood the                                                               
need  to  consider new  standards,  per  the 1996  law  governing                                                               
teachers   and   administrative   evaluations.     However,   she                                                               
questioned why it is occurring now  and whether it is part of the                                                               
NCLB  waiver.    She  then   questioned  how  the  department  is                                                               
addressing  the 800  comments it  has received,  particularly the                                                               
concerns from teachers.   She directed the  department to address                                                               
the  concerns  surrounding  special  needs  students  and  unfair                                                               
weighting  on math,  language arts,  and science  teachers.   She                                                               
then asked the department to  describe the difference between the                                                               
Common Core standards and Alaska's  standards.  She also inquired                                                               
as to  why 50  percent of  a teacher's  evaluation is  related to                                                               
[student  test scores]  and how  tied the  state is  to the  NCLB                                                               
waiver.   She also  asked how  different the  Applied Measurement                                                               
Professionals,  Inc.  (AMP) test  is  from  the Smarter  Balanced                                                               
Assessment Consortium  (SBAC) and  Partnership for  Assessment of                                                               
Readiness for College and Careers (PARCC) tests.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:46:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LES  MORSE,  Deputy  Commissioner, Department  of  Education  and                                                               
Early  Development,  said  he  will   try  to  address  what  the                                                               
department was asked to speak about,  and he will also attempt to                                                               
address many  of the  issues that  have been  brought up  at this                                                               
hearing.   He then provided  some background, including  when the                                                               
process  started, which  he  opined  would illustrate  disconnect                                                               
from  any federal  agenda.   He  then said  he  would review  the                                                               
regulatory process  followed by response to  the questions raised                                                               
in any remaining time.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD interjected  that  she would  like the  questions                                                               
that  have been  raised  during today's  meeting  to be  answered                                                               
first.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE turned  to the question of why now.   He explained that                                                               
in  2008, Alaska  brought together  400 stakeholders  from across                                                               
the state.   The stakeholders  identified teacher quality  as one                                                               
of the key areas for developing  an education plan.  In 2009, EED                                                               
put together  a teacher  quality working  group that  included 37                                                               
individuals  who  were not  departmental  staff  or Alaska  State                                                               
School  Board members;  two  were principals,  one  was from  the                                                               
Alaska principals  association, and three  were from NEA.   After                                                               
working a  number of  years, in March,  2012, that  working group                                                               
provided  a report  to the  Alaska State  Board of  Education and                                                               
took action  on a number  of items  in the report,  including the                                                               
purpose  of the  evaluation and  adding more  objectivity to  the                                                               
evaluation.  There  was an issue of  subjectivity when principals                                                               
evaluate teachers.  The working  group wanted to focus on student                                                               
learning rather than student achievement.   The aforementioned is                                                               
an important distinction, he opined,  because focusing on student                                                               
achievement  would potentially  result  in focusing  only on  the                                                               
test  that is  given.   He highlighted  that the  regulations are                                                               
clear  that this  is  not focused  on a  single  test but  rather                                                               
multiple measures  designed locally with teachers  engaged in the                                                               
process.  In June 2012, the  board put out the regulations for an                                                               
extended public  comment period; those regulations  addressed the                                                               
cultural standards  included in  the evaluation, the  purpose and                                                               
scope of  the evaluation, reporting,  and student  learning data.                                                               
The public comment period lasted  from June 13, 2012, to November                                                               
2,  2012, he  said.   In response  to Chair  Reinbold, Mr.  Morse                                                               
recalled  that they  received  about 800  public  comments.   The                                                               
public  notice on  June 13,  2012, stated  that after  the public                                                               
comment ends,  EED will adopt  these or other  provisions dealing                                                               
with  the  same  subject  without further  notice.    The  public                                                               
comment that was  provided in writing was included  in the Alaska                                                               
State Board of  Education packet that was put out  for the public                                                               
to review,  including the public  comment that was  received from                                                               
the  Governor.   The  Governor's  public  comment encouraged  the                                                               
Alaska State  Board of  Education to consider  50 percent  of the                                                               
evaluation being  student data.   The main  job of schools  is to                                                               
improve student learning; therefore,  it makes sense that student                                                               
learning would be part of a  teacher's evaluation, he opined.  In                                                               
fact, it  seems counter intuitive  that student learning  has not                                                               
been part of  a teacher's evaluation.  Although  some people felt                                                               
that student learning/data  should be 100 percent  of a teacher's                                                               
evaluation,  the  Alaska  State  Board  of  Education  felt  that                                                               
observational  information   learned  from   teacher  evaluations                                                               
should be included.   The Alaska State Board of  Education took a                                                               
gradual  approach  to  implementation   of  the  regulations,  he                                                               
explained.   Mr. Morse highlighted  that the  department reviewed                                                               
the  public comments  very  carefully. In  fact,  so much  public                                                               
comment was received early on  that the department re-noticed the                                                               
regulations  at  its   October  meeting  to  point   out  the  11                                                               
adjustments  to   the  regulations   in  October,   although  the                                                               
adjustments were not very significant and fell within the scope.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:53:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD, relaying questions  from someone in the audience,                                                               
inquired as to  how much the regulations were changed.   She then                                                               
inquired  as to  the trends  that  manifested in  the 800  public                                                               
comments.  She also asked if  the department took action based on                                                               
the input from the teachers across the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE replied  yes, reiterating that 11 changes  were made to                                                               
the regulations.   He  noted that there  were comments  that were                                                               
beyond the scope  of the noticed regulations, some  of which have                                                               
been mentioned at this meeting as  well.  For example, there were                                                               
concerns with regard  to data collection, which is  not really an                                                               
issue.   There  was also  concern regarding  confidentiality, but                                                               
the  confidentiality of  the teacher  evaluation  system was  not                                                               
impacted by  these regulations.   In fact, there are  some strong                                                               
confidentiality  protections that  remain  in  place in  statute.                                                               
Therefore,  the  department could  not  respond  to some  of  the                                                               
comments because they were outside the scope of the process.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:54:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE,  returning to  the timeline  of the  process, informed                                                               
the committee  that the Alaska  State Board of  Education adopted                                                               
the regulations  in December 2012.   He then explained  that this                                                               
regulation requires  that measures  of student learning  are used                                                               
in teacher evaluations.   Furthermore, it requires  at least two,                                                               
but  up to  four, measures  that the  local districts  develop by                                                               
working with  their teachers.   The  regulation does  not require                                                               
every  teacher  in  the district  to  be  evaluated  identically.                                                               
Therefore, special education teachers  who only deal with special                                                               
education students may  be looked at differently.   Moreover, the                                                               
regulation does  not require the sole  source of use to  be state                                                               
assessments.    The  regulation,  19.099,  defines  "measurement"                                                               
clearly as  "assessment of  student knowledge,  understanding, or                                                               
skill and  may include an  assessment that is not  a standardized                                                               
test".   Therefore,  the measurement  could be  a performance  of                                                               
music or  physical education or  based on student projects.   Mr.                                                               
Morse explained that in terms  of including student learning, the                                                               
districts are supposed  to pilot a system next year  and, by next                                                               
summer,  bring it  before their  local board  for adoption.   For                                                               
2015-2016 and 2016-2017, 20 percent  of the rating of the overall                                                               
system would include student learning,  and that will increase to                                                               
35 percent by 2017-2018 and to 50 percent by 2018-2019.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:56:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE,  in response  to earlier  questions/concerns, informed                                                               
the committee  that testing experts  were consulted.   He further                                                               
informed the  committee that the  department has worked  with the                                                               
University of Alaska and will continue  to do so.  He refuted the                                                               
notion that  the test is  dubious.   With regard to  the comments                                                               
that there  should be  tougher measures in  terms of  the Praxis,                                                               
the Alaska State  Board of Education expressed  its concerns with                                                               
that  at its  March  and June  meetings.   To  the comments  that                                                               
content  knowledge is  not important  to  Alaska's teachers,  Mr.                                                               
Morse  pointed  out that  4  AAC  04.200,  standard 4,  is  about                                                               
content knowledge.   There are eight standards  for teachers, and                                                               
one  targets content  knowledge  and all  eight  are a  priority.                                                               
With regard  to the  concerns that there  is subjectivity  in the                                                               
process  of  evaluation, this  work  is  actually about  removing                                                               
subjectivity.    Concerns  that  this is  limited  to  a  written                                                               
assessment are  not true, as  it can  be a performance,  he said.                                                               
Furthermore, it  is not the  department's objective to  make [the                                                               
teacher  evaluation  system]  punitive   but  rather  to  improve                                                               
learning  in  schools,  improve achievement,  and  help  teachers                                                               
perform better.  Drawing from his  28 years in the profession, 11                                                               
of which  were in the classroom,  Mr. Morse said he  was a better                                                               
teacher with feedback.   With regard to the  concerns about data,                                                               
the department is not suggesting  collecting data that it has not                                                               
already collected  and can now  be used to help  teachers perform                                                               
better and students  to learn more.  In terms  of the notion that                                                               
principals should have  been more engaged from  the beginning, he                                                               
reiterated  that  principals  were  engaged  from  2009  forward.                                                               
Regarding  gifted students  versus  those  in special  education,                                                               
those  differences  can  be  addressed   because  the  system  is                                                               
designed locally.   Noting  that he  taught both  populations, he                                                               
opined  that it  is  more difficult  to  increase achievement  of                                                               
really high  achievers, but one  should not make the  excuse that                                                               
high achievers  cannot learn more.   The  same should be  true of                                                               
low-performing   students  regardless   of  why   they  are   low                                                               
performing.   He stated  that the entire  system is  about moving                                                               
students  forward.   Mr. Morse  emphasized that  [the department]                                                               
was very  deliberate in including  more than  standardized tests;                                                               
it  is  about looking  at  local  performance.   With  regard  to                                                               
comments that this evaluation system  might attract more teachers                                                               
to special  education because achievement could  be increased and                                                               
teacher performance could be rated  higher, he opined that such a                                                               
result would be great.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:00:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD thanked Mr. Morse  and said there will be on=going                                                               
hearings.  She asked where people can send questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE recommended that people  with questions can contact him                                                               
or  Marci  Herman,  legislative  liaison.    He  noted  that  the                                                               
department  is  doing a  lot  of  work  with districts  as  these                                                               
systems  are moved  forward  and  response will  be  done in  the                                                               
balance of all those needs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:01:33 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD  asked if these  regulations are a  requirement of                                                               
the NCLB waiver.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE  explained that the  regulations were moved  forward in                                                               
2008 and adopted  in 2012, well before the waiver  became part of                                                               
the  process in  Alaska.   Therefore, these  regulations preceded                                                               
the NCLB  waiver.  Because  this system  was in place  by choice,                                                               
the state was  able to meet the requirement  of evaluation within                                                               
the waiver.   He clarified that Alaska had a  system that allowed                                                               
the state to  apply for the waiver, but the  system was not built                                                               
in response to applying for a waiver.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR REINBOLD asked if the  regulations are a requirement of the                                                               
NCLB waiver.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MORSE  answered  that  the department  did  not  pass  these                                                               
regulations as a requirement of  the waiver.  In further response                                                               
to Chair  Reinbold, Mr. Morse  said the NCLB waiver  requires the                                                               
use of  student learning in  evaluating teachers, which  Alaska -                                                               
by  choice -  had  in  place prior  to  the  application for  the                                                               
waiver.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:03:08 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  REINBOLD asked  if the  new teacher  evaluation system  is                                                               
similar to  evaluation systems  in other  states that  have fully                                                               
adopted the Common Core initiative.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORSE responded  that he could not speak for  other states as                                                               
the department is focused on Alaska.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
10:03:50 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the                                                                       
Administrative Regulation Review Committee meeting was adjourned                                                                
at 10:03 a.m.                                                                                                                   

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